Literary Thought of the Week (part 3)

Everyone’s favorite literary discussion has returned. Right now I am reading 2 books so why not put up a thought from each of them. You may comment on whatever one you find most interesting (or neither if you so decide).

1) This comes from Tom Robbins’ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Robbins) [Parker can you make this a normal link, for some reason I am too retarded to figure out how to do that] “Another Roadside Attraction”. I’ve said this before and I am sure I will say it again, but Tom Robbins is a fucking incredible author.

The scene is pretty simple John Paul Ziller (drummer/magician) is asking his wife Amanda (hot chick/mushroom aficionado) about her thoughts on religious schooling:

“My impression is this: There is an insect called the hunting wasp. The female hunts for spiders and other insects and preys on them in an unusual way. She stings them in the large nerve ganglion on the underside of the thorax so that they are not killed but only paralyzed. She then lays an egg on the paralyzed victim (or within it’s body) and seals the prey up in a nest. When the egg hatches, the wasp larva commenses to eat the prey, slowly, gradually, in a highly systemized way. The nonvital tissues and organs are eaten first, so that the paralyzed creature remains alive for a good many days. Eventually, of course, its guest eats away so much of it that it dies. During the whole long process of consumption, the prey cannot move, cry out or resist in any way.”

“Now, suppose we view the Church as the hunting wasp, it’s stinger being represented by the nuns and priests who teach in the schools. And let us view the pupils as the paralyzed prey. The egg that is injected into them is the dogma, which in time must hatch into the larva-personal philosophy or religious attitude. This larva, as that of the wasp eats away from within, slowly and in a specialized manner, until the victim in destroyed. That is my impression of parochial education.”

2) The second thought comes from “The Universe in a single Atom” by His Holiness the 14th Dalai Lama. This is a pretty cool book that shows the convergence of current scientific theory and Buddhist philosophy. Before I go into the quote I wanted to point out that the Dalai Lama is going to be in Seattle for 5 days, April 11-15. I am actually pretty excited I got free tickets to 2 of his events (one of them is about the convergence of modern science and Buddhism, something I find fascinating). If you want to find out more here is the site (http://www.seedsofcompassion.org/)

You don’t really need any set up for this one. This Dalai Lama (the 14th) is really into hard science and it’s applications for making this world a better place. This quote comes at the end of a chapter where he goes over evolution and its application for the world.

“If twentieth-century history — with its widespread belief in social Darwinism and the many terrible effects of trying to apply eugenics that resulted from it — has anything to teach us, it is that we humans have a dangerous tendency to turn the visions we construct of ourselves into self-fulfilling prophecies. The idea of the “survival of the fittest” has been misused to condone, and in some cases to justify, excesses of human greed and individualism and to ignore ethical models for relating to our fellow human beings in a more compassionate spirit. Thus, irrespective of our conceptions of science, given that science today occupies such an important seat of authority in human society, it is extremely important for those in the professions to be aware of the their power and to appreciate their responsibility. Science must act as its own corrective to popular misconceptions and misappropriations of ideas that could have disastrous implications for the world and humanity at large.”

15 Responses to “Literary Thought of the Week (part 3)”

  1. Looks like you have talked me into another Robbins book.

    The Dalai Lama seems like a very progressive, reasonable, enlightened dude who has a pretty sweet religion to back him, but then again he thinks he is the reincarnation of a Buddhist Master or whatever.

  2. Man hoboboobies.wordpress.com hates religios people. I like that.

    It is pretty sweet to read the Dalai Lama’s quote and not feel like there is some spin or agenda behind it. I don’t feel like he is trying to manipulate public thought, but is just trying to have a legitimate discussion.

    Dalai Lama – I officially invite you to join the hoboboobies.wordpress.com blogosphere community – your contributions would be appreciatied.

    (FYI – I score the Dali Lama the winner over Tom Robbins)

  3. This is a quote from an interview with Carl Sagan. I first heard this story from Richard.

    Carl Sagan: “Well, when I talk to religious leaders, one thing I always ask them is: What would you do if a fundamental tenet of your religion was definitively disproved by science? And, at least in the West, and especially among fundamentalist religions, the tendency is to say, “Science couldn’t possibly,” or, “My religion is an absolute truth, and if science gets different answers, too bad for science.” The Dalai Lama’s answer was: “If science found a serious error in Tibetan Buddhism, of course we would change Tibetan Buddhism.” So I tried to push him on this issue. Suppose it was something basic? Suppose, for instance, it was reincarnation? And the Dalai Lama said to me, “If science can disprove reincarnation, Tibetan Buddhism would abandon reincarnation.” And then he said, “But it’s going to be mighty hard to disprove reincarnation.”

  4. interesting, I like the Lama… straight shooter

    whats your take on this Brice?

  5. I don’t trust anyone who wasn’t a part of the 2003 rush team.

  6. Brice is cool in my book. He seems to care more about our thoughts and feelings than the rest of our so called friends….

  7. First and foremost, your omission of actual links took me for a surprise when I found myself on Tim Robbin’s wikipedia page. I thought he just did movies… Took me a minute, but I figured it out.

    I haven’t read any Tom Robbins, but that excerpt makes him sound cool. I’m not immediately taken back by his rather deliberate message. I was raised Presbyterian (nothing too oppressive, just went to church weekly and that was that), but am now atheist after claiming Agnosticism for about a year around age 15. There is hope, at least in my eyes from my own experience (unlike the hunting wasp’s prey), that youth may overcome the dogma that is instilled at a young age. It’s definitely not an easy process and one where intellectually one may have a conclusion, yet the framework of their minds has not yet caught up.

    Back to Tom Robbins though. I’m not immediately won over by this passage to get me to pick up a copy, at least not yet. Simply put, it appears as if he described, rather deliberately, the excitement and furor that is nature. Is the rest of his texts just as intriguing to read?

    I don’t know much about the Dalai Lama except that he’s been in the Metro (free daily) a lot lately regarding the humanitarian crisis in Tibet. His quote leaves me a bit perturbed. I don’t think the majority of those in the sciences warrant such a wriggling of the finger. I do however find the dumbing down of science, mass marketing of that science, and the resulting ignorant masses who believe to have some sort of expertise to be absolutely repulsive.

    I believe the greatest danger will not come from credible expertise in the sciences, but from a naive mob with corrupt knowledge.

  8. When you see the Lama you should bring him a print off of that charity post from a little while back, he may want to use it in his next book Seeds of Discompassion.

    Its pretty cool that he is doing a 5 day free seminar in Seattle right now, hopefully the protests in Tibet wont interfere, let me know if you need someone to go with you to either of those.

    I like that Brice adds a bit more scepticism to the blog. For a beasttuber your pretty cool. Brice, let us know if you need to get a post up.

  9. *you’re

  10. Brice’s story about being the #1 google result for that search on Walden checks out – try it yourself.

  11. more importantly I checked that we are still the #1 result for “beasttube similar”

  12. You guys are obsessed with beasttube. I still don’t get how that came about, but how come beasttube is never brought up as the foundation of a business model? Surely, if you offered products or services with your most populous daily visitors in mind (beasttubers) there would be some profit to be made.

    Well, I type faster than I think. The mental images I just had really uhm secured that deal… I see why it’s not been taken.

  13. good point Brice, hear me out on this but I am seriously considering drawing pictures on standard, college ruled, 8×10″ pieces of paper and selling them on our website. This may not sound like such a good idea in the morning but I will draw a combination of one person, one animal, and one sexual act. No more, no less. Any substitutions will cost a tremendous amount more than standard, which will cost $5 plus mailing fees. Here is a sample that i am about to draw, it will be in Paint, but my real business model I invision being done with a paper and pencil, colored pencil if you are lucky. I assure you I am equally gifted at hand drawing as with coloring in Paint on a laptop with no mouse. all done, here it is http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2332/2391211795_3b4e3c6400.jpg

    see future posts on how to order your own picture.

  14. Please post more info on how I can buy these fine pieces art imediately.

  15. Yep, I knew that would be NSFW.

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